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CryStalker  |
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Post Topic: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 03.04.2012, 23:12 |
I was having a discussion on YT the other day, and both that person and me came to the conclusion that Frostbite 2.1 is the engine for a sniper-like game (we were discussing this on the sniper game for Ce3, I honestly dont know the name anymore) I do remember that I posted:"would be more fitted on Frostbite2" We both agreed to the leap Frostbite2 has in displaying a (slight) reflection of reality in-game with the graphics the engine can handle, whilst Ce3 is more advanced, Frostbite has a unique feel to it. Ce3 looks glossy, sci-fi like, great for games such as Crysis, not games such as Warface. (This is my personal opinion) And, I'd like to know what the community thinks of my perspective, please share yours and please lets keep it civil here. Its not that hard  I can keep my cool too, and i know the majority of people here can't guess my age depending on the way I'm explaining my thoughts, except the grammar
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F37  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 03.04.2012, 23:21 |
You can also achieve "real life" looking scene with CE3. Crytek with Crysis 2 game chose another approach than photo realism and went for a more artistic and Sci fi look (as you said) but the game Engine has a similar potential than FB2 to render "reality in-game" CE3 sniper game must be ghost warrior.
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ClockworkOnion  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 03:21 |
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Psychoisalive  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 05:21 |
Frostbyte2 is not available for the modding comunity and will not be, because it belongs to DICE that belongs to EA  ....So you cannot compare it with CE3. Well, if you are a millonaire, you can get a licence  .
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qbert39  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 05:39 |
THe only way to get your hands on Frostbyte 2 is to either be an employee of EA or DICE or own a game company that gets bought out by EA. Frostbyte 2 you cannot buy a license for. So you can't really compare the two because you really don't know what Frostbyte 2 is actually capable of. Is the engine really legit or is it a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Only EA employees know the answer to that one.
THe only strength that I know of that makes it slightly better than CE3 , is Frostbyte 2 is capable of streaming everything not just textures but meshes as well everything is streamed and that is probably why the game looks so good. It has destruction but is that destruction within the engine itself or is it made from a 3d app and then exported in. I remember during the beta , bf3 did have terrain deformation but they removed it because it damaged the terrain, heightmap causing everyone to fall thru or get stuck inside the terrain.
There is one other key difference between Cryengine 3 and Frostbyte 2. The key difference is how Crytek and DICE utilized there engines for Crysis 2 and Battlefield 3. DICE made there game so that it would take advantage of all the features of the pc and possibly take it to its limit, while Crytek decided to use its engine to make a game that would look good on the weakest of hardware as opposed to pushing the techinical limits of what there engine is actually capable of.
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iniside  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 10:51 |
What I think ? I think engine doesn't matter at all. Game look is purerly dependant on: a) Graphics Artists b) Shaders (aka Materials). Nothing else. If engine is well written Shaders can be tweaked by artists without even touching core code of the engine, and allow them to achive any look they want. (iniside point Crytek and don't understrand why we don't have access to shader code).
Myths about the game look is dependant on engine using are.. Well just myths.
With this in mind Frosbite2 if far superior to CryEngine. Advnaced Tools, Advanced terrain, advanced data managment. Hell it's simply more advanced engine. And no wonder about that. There is no(or less) legacy code left in it..
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sageios  |
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Cry-Ruan  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 12:14 |
Quote by iniside: And no wonder about that. There is no(or less) legacy code left in it.. Those two source licences must have burnt a hole in your wallet for you to be able to compare codebases.
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iniside  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 12:45 |
Quote by Cry-Ruan: Quote by iniside: And no wonder about that. There is no(or less) legacy code left in it.. Those two source licences must have burnt a hole in your wallet for you to be able to compare codebases. Shhh. I'm Bill Gates. Just posting diffrently
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commando2012  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 13:55 |
I love the feel in BF3 and of course the destruction... I find it hard to play an FPS game now without destruction it just feels like its lacking somthing. On the surface I think both CryEngine and Frostbite2 both look amazing but as others have said we dont have access to FB2 so cant compare
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CryStalker  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 22:05 |
The thing with BF3 and Frostbite 2 for me is that unlike C2, BF3 doesn't need to be modded. It's perfect the way it is now and I totally understand people's vision on no-modding support etc. etc. but, look at it this way, when you were a kid you could enjoy any game without the need to mod it, why can't you bring up that same discipline with a non-moddable game? Just enjoy what you have, It's loads of fun online. Trust me Plus, I've seen people post things like:"No modding? I won't buy this game anymore" for both C2 and BF3(ModDB). Now, with C2's (limited) modding support people still tend to complain about the fact they don't have full access to the game. It's not an obligation for a company to give modding tools, nor It's your right to demand them. Respect the company and keep in mind what kind of work they put in manufacturing something for you guys. All in all, both games are awesome, in their own way. FB2's graphics, physics, technology and BF3's gameplay make up for the non modding support, While C2's (limited) SDK and modding makes up for the lack of promised and stable tools in the first couple months C2 was released. I do give my preferences to BF3 when it comes to gameplay, the feel of it feels just right. And, once you get into that game, and notice the small details, like the props on Wake Island [BF3], stating:"In memory of the people who fought here, was it 1943, BF2, BF:Vietnam or BF3" I just smile. These small details are the ones that put faith in the developers, staying true to their fans since their first ever released game. (I'm in no way saying Crytek doesn't listen to their fans btw)
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DevilDante  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 22:13 |
Quote by CryStalker: Plus, I've seen people post things like:"No modding? I won't buy this game anymore" for both C2 and BF3(ModDB). Now, with C2's (limited) modding support people still tend to complain about the fact they don't have full access to the game. It's not an obligation for a company to give modding tools, nor It's your right to demand them. Respect the company and keep in mind what kind of work they put in manufacturing something for you guys.
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Psychoisalive  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 22:26 |
CryStalker, the modding tools makes the game live for a long time...
Thats why the only COD I like is the 4, because of the modding tools... Thats Way Cryengine 2 still alive. Thats why Farcry1 is better than Farcry 2..(even the graphics of the second are much better)
The modding tools are the Key for succesfull....I bought Crysis 2 because they release the modding tools and not before that
ehh...wait..Are you being sarcastic, dont you?
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DevilDante  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 22:39 |
Far Cry 2 is completely moddable, man... It also got a full editor and a multiplayer maps uploader.
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Psychoisalive  |
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Post Topic: Re: Frostbite2.1 or Ce3? Posted 04.04.2012, 22:42 |
Quote by DevilDante: Far Cry 2 is completely moddable, man... It also got a full editor and a multiplayer maps uploader.  You can not make single player maps or play multiplayer maps with bots, so for me is not moddeable.
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