No.


Found some more pictures of that what seems to be a custom Crysis 1 SP Demo / CE2 map called "My Island" made in 2007 by some user called "zyco" (?), see for example:





And it seems like someone also made a video of that map:





But those links somehow seem to be down meanwhile, don't they?

Would it still be available anywhere else perhaps, so maybe someone like "the_grim" for example could maybe do some more reasonable comparison pictures for example ?

someone Neutral please go recreate this: http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs18/f/2007/ ... oxStox.jpg
in both CE2 and CE3 then post the images along with the original.

Do not tell anyone which is CE2 or CE3. then let people argue over the images some more without telling them which is which...

we'll still be where we are now, but i might get a laugh out of it.


all images posted from ce2 and ce3 in this thread arent even close to looking real. They all have styles and differences sure, some i like others i dont, some i see clear 'mistakes' imo, others are more subtle. fact is your arguing over the quality of something that doesnt resemble what it is your holding it up to and comparing it with.


bluntly put:
Stop typing, go make better art.

(everyone can improve not saying what is there is bad in any way)

Water looks very unrealistic, picture one as well.



That's a good comment.

Picture one you did quote the wrong way.

Would be appreciated if you could change that.



Any chance you actually could do that yourself?

No, not meant as some "bash" or anything like that.

But you seem to be the one who started the:


don't you?

It actually would be much appreciated to see what you could achieve in that regard (tropical/nature/etc. scenes) with Crysis 2 / CE3, because, judging from most of the pictures you posted, you seem to be quite good at such things with Crysis 1 / CE2.

No, that is not meant as "mocking" about you or anything like that. Rather quite the opposite actually.

If you would post pictures which would show such scenes that would obviously seem to be better in Crysis 2 / CE3 than in Crysis 1 / CE2 that really would be great and appreciated. And probably nobody would complain about that, because, why should they?

It would be awesome if you could do that.

He is probably a busy man. It is a great idea though. Waiting for Grimmy Grim if you need any help with stuff you can always ask moi

haha I could make a very bad comparison vs the real life picture, nothing close to it though (i dont think). plus if i were to, i would as i said above, not tell anyone which is CE2 or CE3.

but franky i dont have a copy of CE2 on my computer so even if i wanted to (and had time) open that old thing again I cant.

Sure, of course - but the Casus Belli screenshot you posted? No offense but it looked like the usual business, nothing really standing out unlike in the Russia 2028 shots for example. There are some really great looking scenes in Casus Belli too, though.

Who else do you think should be able to do it then if not you?

At least there don't seem to be much users here who were as good or better at creating such scenes/TODs/etc. with Crysis 1 / CE2 than you.

Maybe you would not succeed in convincing users that such scenes (tropical etc.) would look better with Crysis 2 / CE3 than with Crysis 1 / CE2, but then again, maybe you would, who knows if you won't try?

Also: it would actually be more appreciated if you could do it with tropical scenes instead of such "simple grass" scenes .


If you really think you would have to do it that way, why not just concealing it for maybe a week for example and then reveal it after that week has passed for example? Just as an example.

Although... why doing it that way at all if you are so certain that the scene would turn out that much better with Crysis 2 / CE3 compared to Crysis 1 / CE2 (not meant as an offense) ?

If you actually would be correct about that, and the pictures would "speak" for themselves, then you could rather reveal it right from the beginning, couldn't you ?

Again, finally seeing a tropical scene for example in Crysis 2 / CE3 that would look as good or ideally better than in Crysis 1 / CE2 would be awesome and appreciated.

So it would be great if you could do/try it.

Sorry, but I won't waste any more of my time with this. Showing comparison pictures proves nothing, I could try to replicate the scenes in CE2 and they would probably never look exactly like the references, what would that prove again?


Did you forget VinoBob's and rGOt's tropical scenes already? I attached most of the tropical pictures found in this thread in my post on the previous page, I'm not seeing a trend of CE2 scenes consistently being better.

People have been working with Cryengine 2 since 2006, when the demo editor came out with the Crysis demo.

Cryengine 3 came out at the end of last year.

5-6 years for CE2.

Not even a year for CE3.

Of course there is going to be more content to show for Cryengine 2.

I'm with Grim and HP.... even after making comparisons, what is the point? CE3 still allows for more flexibility with scenes, and runs better to boot. I've never crashed in CE3 from painting or sculpting terrain, but such an occurrence was normal for CE2.

CE3 is built off of CE2.

Again, nobody is stopping you from making your own comparisons. If you care so much, you have the option to learn the basics of CE2 and CE3 to do your own comparisons.

Congrats on your new position at Blizzard by the way, HP.

That was just because many of you wrote something like the following for example:


That's all.


The picture from "VinoBob" seems to be quite nice, as mentioned several times already.

But, just as "VinoBob" himself wrote (especially see the bolded and underlined part):




About the pictures from "rGOt" you mentioned:

What "blackhorizon" wrote about that actually seems to be quite accurate already (again, especially see the bolded and underlined part):

He did more than one map...




That isn't even what you were asking - you were asking me to (again) replicate a set of pictures from a CE2 map from 2007... That I won't do. But I just took the time to look at Puppy's reference suggestion and made a pair of pictures:




I didn't even bother to replicate the lighting of that ref pic accurately, that would've taken far too long. Instead I just decided on a rough guideline, "overcast lighting on a flat map using one grass asset (bigpatchmedium.cgf)". I did one of the pictures in CE2, taking about 15 minutes of tweaking the ToD settings and materials (of course you instantly spot which one, if only from the ugly EdgeAA). Then I did the same scene in CE3, taking about 5 minutes to reach a similar look.

I must say I had forgotten how clumsy the old ToD editor was. In CE3 It was much more intuitive to for example make the sky grey - in CE2 I struggled for a while because none of the usual settings (horizon colour, zenith colour, fog colour) seemed to do anything; turns out Mie Scattering is needed to reduce blue glare on the horizon. In SB2 you can't zoom in on the graphs which isn't really practical when many of the settings require only a fraction of a pixel of adjustment to completely blow the effect over... In this case I had to use Mie Scattering which jumped from 0 to 2000 on the smallest adjustment I was able to make after scaling the height of the graph to its maximum. The value was 30 in the default ToD. It's impossible to make such small adjustments in the ToD editor. Impossible. I had to make it the smallest I could (2000) and then compensate the effect by turning up the rest of the sky colour parameters. In CE3 I adjusted horizon colour, zenith colour and fog colour, and was done.



I hope you're not going to use these pictures to prove anything one way or another though. Other than technical observations about different texture filtering, AA and so on.

And? That picture seems to be worse than anything which was achieved with Crysis 1 / CE2 so far in that regard.

Even the "vanilla" PC CE2 Crysis 1 seems to do better in that regard.

No, that is not meant as a joke or anything like that.

Several times now you and others seem to have failed in presenting anything even remotely as good let alone better as what is shown in those videos for example (Crysis 1 / CE2):





What is shown in those videos above for example (Crysis 1 / CE2) just seems to be much better than anything which was posted in that (tropical) regard in the Crysis 2 / CE3 section of the forum here so far. And if you would go a few pages back you would read that some other users basically seem to agree with that.

Somehow it seems so baffling that you don't seem to agree with that at all.

Don't those pictures / videos for example "speak" for themself?


No. It more or less was about you maybe using that map and port it over or whatever and then compare them instead of trying to recreate it yourself as good as you can.

So just as he suggested:


That's all.

But never mind.

As already mentioned, that scene almost seems too "simple" for it to be any adequate comparison.

And also almost too "simple" to distinguish them, because there is so little to distinguish.

Both pictures do not seem to be that good by the way. They do not really seem to be a good showcase for both of them.

But which one is which actually?

Is the first one (grass_1) Crysis 2 / CE3 and the second one (grass_2) Crysis 1 / CE2?

Or is the first one (grass_1) Crysis 1 / CE2 and the second one (grass_2) Crysis 2 / CE3?


Actually, what do you want to prove with those pictures when there is so little content in them?